Nox Propaganda: Unova Division

[banter2]

Hey, Nox! Unova clearly isn't going to stay neutral, and we have a bit of a bad reputation. If Lux has their way, they'll paint as all as murdering, pillaging villains to turn the place to their side, and we can't have that, can we? I think it's obvious what we have to do: get some propaganda going!

1. With Mistralton, we have airplanes, and I'm sure some of you guys have flying pokemon. Let's drop some informational pamphlets! I'm sure some people will be interested enough to give them a look.

2. Without Lux in control, we can legally buy ourselves some air time on the radio around here. I think it's obvious that we can spread our message this way. Why not give it a go?

3. Let's spend some time on the streets. Hand out information personally and all that. If Lux tries to infringe on our free speech, it'll only make them look bad to the populace. Let the civilians of Unova know that Nox is made up of nice people, not heartless bastards like Lux would make them think.

4. We have nothing close to the resources of Lux, but we can still try to be nice, guys. Help people out. Don't be a jerk. Give them a reason to side with us besides things they've read and heard.

Remember, try to keep this peaceful! Destruction may have its place sometimes, but initiating violence won't get us on the average townperson's good side. If Lux initiates a fight, you can retaliate, but don't escalate things any more than you need to. Don't kill a Lux soldier just for walking through the area.

So, does anyone have ideas to make this a bit more interesting? Anyone want to sign up? Of course I'll be participating, but I can't do this on my own! We can organize different groups for different tasks, if you'd like.

-Cecil Baker, Nox Guerrilla

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[amr90]

You could also get some LUX uniforms together and do bad things to hurt local views. I'd enjoy doing this stuff but I know i'd slow things down because I have 0 time off work really right now.

[tantan]

Feb 2, 2012 21:49:28 GMT -5 @amr90 said:

You could also get some LUX uniforms together and do bad things to hurt local views. I'd enjoy doing this stuff but I know i'd slow things down because I have 0 time off work really right now.

Speaking of uniforms.

[kir]

Kiri here probably won't join anything unless she's somehow convinced that propaganda is as super de duper fun as battling, but she's from Unova so uh v: Does that count for anything? lol, in any case, I'll throw in some suggestions for places to target at the very least:

• Driftveil. I think BantEEr already put this up for consideration? It's a port city, awsm stuff.
  
• Nacrene. Apparently its warehouses have been stockpiled with weapons? shruggu.
  
• Castelia. More because there's a lot of people that pass by and so you can reach out to more people.
  
• Opelucid. Weapon technology. Yes.

Saul's suggestion is great too. c:

[tantan4]

You'd think with all the likes and hype for Nox propaganda, there would be more discussion here. Or did they all go to skype? Thanks, that's definitely information-friendly to the "others." I don't know if I'd prefer this fact or just safely assume there have been no discussion going on at all.

Nonetheless, sorry for being late. Haven't really plotted with Cecil, have I? But hey, hello again BantEEr (lol). Seems like we're going to plot again.

Lios isn't a hardcore Nox. Just a hardcore Lux-hater. He's pretty aligned with Nox just that he doesn't really think they'll be going anywhere. He just helps because he either feels bad or just doesn't like Lux like that.

1. With Mistralton, we have airplanes, and I'm sure some of you guys have flying pokemon. Let's drop some informational pamphlets! I'm sure some people will be interested enough to give them a look.

I think that's a bad idea. Don't forget most sympathizers are in hiding because they fear Lux. If you spread pamphlets, it's going to be like an epidemic. People will panic because Lux will come charging in, find out where this came from, and see if anyone have decided to take a curious read at it. Use the airport to construct airplanes or maybe use it as a training ground especially for potential pilots. I have no idea how Nox is going to deal with something as huge as Mistralton TBH. We can just pretend we have NPC benefactors but that's really lame for me.

...oh wait, hold on, this is Unova. So I guess it's pretty safe to spread those pamphlets. Didn't erase the paragraph above for future reference anyway.

2. Without Lux in control, we can legally buy ourselves some air time on the radio around here. I think it's obvious that we can spread our message this way. Why not give it a go?

As long as don't go too far, I think it's fine. We don't want Lux coming in to bomb us when they get too angry.

3. Let's spend some time on the streets. Hand out information personally and all that. If Lux tries to infringe on our free speech, it'll only make them look bad to the populace. Let the civilians of Unova know that Nox is made up of nice people, not heartless bastards like Lux would make them think.

Mentioned this in the cbox before but we need public figures. Not sure how Kane could work Alyssa out given that she had been in a destructive streak and the papers didn't make Steven much of a hero. Other Nox would have to stand up to this. Lios and Wallace are my only useful ones. Lios doesn't actively help and Wallace prefers to stay in Hoenn, sos lol.

But uh, Lios can actually be of help. He can spread rumors if you want but you'll have to get him to help first. He's threading with Alyssa but I've yet to reply to it lol. Was thinking he might go well with Cecil BTW hinthint

4. We have nothing close to the resources of Lux, but we can still try to be nice, guys. Help people out. Don't be a jerk. Give them a reason to side with us besides things they've read and heard.

One proper thing in winning people: delivery. Don't outright say, "DUDE I'M NOX BUT I WON'T HURT YOU BECAUSE WE JUST WANT FREEDOM." Would be best if you don't tell you're Nox and just act as a normal civilian who has an opinion on matters. Would actually be preeeetttyy awkward to hear someone say s/he is from a rebel group.

Don't kill a Lux soldier just for walking through the area.

Thank you. I know IC-wise, not all Nox are very friendly to Lux but to those who don't really hold grudges, I actually suggest making friends with the enemy. If we want our side to be heard, we have to hear them out too.

So, does anyone have ideas to make this a bit more interesting? Anyone want to sign up? Of course I'll be participating, but I can't do this on my own! We can organize different groups for different tasks, if you'd like.

If it's Hoenn, Wallace is your man. If it's information, Lios is your man. Can't offer much from Lios since he's more of a connection-person. He won't really do shit unless it benefits him.

[alyssa]

I would have responded sooner but homework eats my brain ._. I thought others would have responded to this before I got to it.

(I swear to god I'll prevent this from turning into a Great Wall of China Text)

1. With Mistralton, we have airplanes, and I'm sure some of you guys have flying pokemon. Let's drop some informational pamphlets! I'm sure some people will be interested enough to give them a look.

I think that's a bad idea. Don't forget most sympathizers are in hiding because they fear Lux. If you spread pamphlets, it's going to be like an epidemic. People will panic because Lux will come charging in, find out where this came from, and see if anyone have decided to take a curious read at it. Use the airport to construct airplanes or maybe use it as a training ground especially for potential pilots. I have no idea how Nox is going to deal with something as huge as Mistralton TBH. We can just pretend we have NPC benefactors but that's really lame for me.

...oh wait, hold on, this is Unova. So I guess it's pretty safe to spread those pamphlets. Didn't erase the paragraph above for future reference anyway.

I think Banter mentioned something in the c-box about using the airplanes in the Nox peace-propaganda-skirmish in neighboring Driftveil City (to Mistralton) for maybe an air show or something? The dropping of fliers on the place where they're already going to be handing them out makes sense. Nox will just be acting as a bit of cleanup crew though to get rid of excess. Unless they just send in a horde of Munchlax to eat all the paper. XD

2. Without Lux in control, we can legally buy ourselves some air time on the radio around here. I think it's obvious that we can spread our message this way. Why not give it a go?

As long as don't go too far, I think it's fine. We don't want Lux coming in to bomb us when they get too angry.

I think I mentioned this elsewhere but whatTanzsaid. Don't make it like an everyday thing, lol. People would get sick of it pretty fast. Maybe every three days or something? Don't want to seem like we're trying to run their radio show with advertisements, that's why I suggested the every few days. If there's a big broadcast or something, or interviews with Nox members (idk...) I suppose taking an entire day wouldn't kill us, but we'd have to be sure to regulate the word-spreading. lol.

3. Let's spend some time on the streets. Hand out information personally and all that. If Lux tries to infringe on our free speech, it'll only make them look bad to the populace. Let the civilians of Unova know that Nox is made up of nice people, not heartless bastards like Lux would make them think.

Mentioned this in the cbox before but we need public figures. Not sure how Kane could work Alyssa out given that she had been in a destructive streak and the papers didn't make Steven much of a hero. Other Nox would have to stand up to this. Lios and Wallace are my only useful ones. Lios doesn't actively help and Wallace prefers to stay in Hoenn, sos lol.

I take blame for that, I like regulated violence. loloops

Public figures sounds like a good thing...Nox could probably use those in each region, lol, and they wouldn't necessarily have to be the Leaders of that Region. Public Figures don't necessarily have to be high-ranking (though it helps), but just known in one way or another

WALLACE. TWO OF YOUR FRIENDS SCREWED UP BIG TIME-ISH. YOU MIGHT BE CLEANING UP THEIR MESS TILL THEY GET ON THE BETTER SIDE OF PEOPLE. /shot

butuh...yeah. seeing as Steven isnt in good eyes of the paper and Alyssa is currently known for destructive-ness (she's working on that I swear) somebody would need to be a better public figure than either of them (or at least until they make their names nicer to see in the paper). Hoenn's citizens at least would like Wallace because he's so fab for a good number of reasons. Possibility to you, maybe?

4. We have nothing close to the resources of Lux, but we can still try to be nice, guys. Help people out. Don't be a jerk. Give them a reason to side with us besides things they've read and heard.

One proper thing in winning people: delivery. Don't outright say, "DUDE I'M NOX BUT I WON'T HURT YOU BECAUSE WE JUST WANT FREEDOM." Would be best if you don't tell you're Nox and just act as a normal civilian who has an opinion on matters. Would actually be preeeetttyy awkward to hear someone say s/he is from a rebel group.

Don't kill a Lux soldier just for walking through the area.

Thank you. I know IC-wise, not all Nox are very friendly to Lux but to those who don't really hold grudges, I actually suggest making friends with the enemy. If we want our side to be heard, we have to hear them out too.

...yeah what Tanz said basically. Lol. I second it. Not telling what faction youre with and acting as normal as possible generally works and get you places faster. If you told them you'd automatically be pegged as trying to enforce your views on whomever.


And...yeah don't go around killing people randomly ;w; Things would get really bloody and it would be a pain in the ass to clean up I doubt that would put Nox in a good light for things, lol.

[tantan]

For the radio show, appealing to emotions would be nice. Either go for the drama or humor.

Well, with Juan going on I guess Wallace should be would be more determined to get Nox moving. *scratches chin* HEY, HOW ABOUT VERDAN- oh wait, that thing exploded. OH. Dewford is excellent!

Its isolation from the mainland has allowed Dewford to remain untouched by the war. It is a peaceful town, seemingly oblivious to the turmoil within Hoenn despite the fact that news travels quickly across the small town. Unfortunately for the locals, both Nox and Lux have decided they'd like Dewford as their own safehaven.

I think it's an easy, good place to start. And since it's by the sea, Wallace is the man! Maybe we should do a festival? Wallace LOOOVES festival! IDK how that is propaganda but festivals are awesome! I think this isn't about just swaying the citizens but also garnering sympathy from Lux soldiers. C'mon, they're not heartless. WHO'S WITH ME?!

yay for straying off-topic I should go start a separate thread

[alyssa]

YEAH VERDANTURF GOT BLOWN UP BI (goddamnit...it was Lux territory anyway >>)

Dewford, and really any disputed (x-marked) territory in Hoenn would be a good place to start. I was thinking Dewford or Pacifidlog (the latter can't catch a break going by the desc, poor thing) to start, we're also heading for Fallarbor whenever we get enough people for it.

I'm in. Drake I think is out of the question because even though he's sitting on his rear for most things to do with the war, he'd possibly be expected to wave his cane at shoo any Nox people away. Alyssa...idk, maybe. Depends when it would be in relation to other events. Lol. I think Jian might like it though. It would do her good to get out.

...oh derp Dewford has a cave. Yeah I'm thinking Jian for this one.

maybe you should

and Tanz...the hell is with that icon. XD. is it a Sunflora having an acid trip or something?

[tantan]

YEAH VERDANTURF GOT BLOWN UP BI (goddamnit...it was Lux anyway >>)

Actually, it really was some Nox. Some radical Nox.

and Tanz...the hell is with that icon. XD. is it a Sunflora having an acid trip or something?

It's the prominent sun that watches over us 8)

[kira]

Propaganda isn't really my cup of tea. But here's to my two cents, yes?

Queen and Pixie are not likely to become involved with propaganda. Pixie is more concerned with being a worker bee, and researching things. Queen is more for planning things, fighting, stealing food for Hoenn - and, saving people. Basically a Robin Hood with a capability to kill to survive. Lmfao. So, this isn't stuff that I'm going to be incredibly involved with ICly and probably not even OOCly (Unless I'm needed for opinions and such).

Feb 2, 2012 21:49:28 GMT -5 @amr90 said:

You could also get some LUX uniforms together and do bad things to hurt local views.

I don't quite like this idea, to be honest. It's mostly because it makes Nox seem like manipulative brutes. It doesn't really help our cause - and really just brings out a more "criminal Nox" reputation if anyone were to find out. But then again, war gets dirty. Queen will not be involved with this, and I'm not sure about Pixie.

Other than that, everything else seems pretty sound. Yeah, I don't have that many opinions on this subject matter OTL I second the idea that we avoid killing people everywhere, though. I think we've showed the crime-side of Nox enough as it is, or people get the picture that we can become dark. Time for more heroism, maybe? But, like I said, this isn't really my scene. I'll be posting in the other thread soon, though.

Please don't eat me alive?

[lurker2]

... since the thread seems to be drifting away from unova, can we change the title? "orz

but yeah. instead of having 'em look like criminals (or crazy people promoting stuff), why not do stuff that's good? i doubt that lux is helping out everyone after the battle, or at least focusing on their troops, etc. before helping others out.

why not fix up places? i'm sure looking at the sub-boards there could be several ideas formed. for one, why not rebuild florama town? there's no more flowers! or fix up vb if it goes to nox. might not seem productive, but it would get 1) nox from other places more familiar with the area, 2) get nox more known as vigilantes and you know, they'd see them in action doing good stuff rather than fighting. isn't one of their ideals to keep things the way they used to? so, yeah. kinda expected more stuff like this.

[tantan]

OMFG NO MORE FLOWERS IN FLORAMO?!?!?! OMFGGGGG NOT THE FLOWERS FUCK I LOVE FLOWERS

Feb 9, 2012 4:35:10 GMT -5 @kira said:

Feb 2, 2012 21:49:28 GMT -5 @amr90 said:

You could also get some LUX uniforms together and do bad things to hurt local views.

I don't quite like this idea, to be honest. It's mostly because it makes Nox seem like manipulative brutes. It doesn't really help our cause - and really just brings out a more "criminal Nox" reputation if anyone were to find out. But then again, war gets dirty. Queen will not be involved with this, and I'm not sure about Pixie.

I think it's a matter of balance...or rather, being reasonable. Because for one, being manipulative and pulling strings is just part of the war. The idea itself is smart but the morality of it is, of course, always questionable. I think people should consider the idea and well, it can be an interesting conflict within Nox. Some may agree to this (and you know a lot would) but some might not...in fact, you could probably stage this. Have the Nox pretending to Lux soldiers screwing with people then other Nox pretend beating them up. Or they beat them up intentionally for being such dicks, which is more amusing IMO.

Please don't eat me alive?

it IS gasoline!

why not fix up places? i'm sure looking at the sub-boards there could be several ideas formed. for one, why not rebuild florama town? there's no more flowers! or fix up vb if it goes to nox. might not seem productive, but it would get 1) nox from other places more familiar with the area, 2) get nox more known as vigilantes and you know, they'd see them in action doing good stuff rather than fighting. isn't one of their ideals to keep things the way they used to? so, yeah. kinda expected more stuff like this.

WHY YOU HAVE TO STRAY OFF-TOPIC ONLY UNOVA HERE

but + this idea anyway. BTW when taking towns, Nox shouldn't make it seem like WE'RE THE BOSS. Making compromises would be nice.

You know the big problem I see in Nox? Everyone has to be productive if they want something to happen >>

[moineau]

I've been hesitant to post in this thread because I simply don't know enough about propaganda to think of anything potentially useful to contribute. Furthermore, it would be unlikely that Emil will get involved - he's a bit too aggressive for any subtlety, which is what Nox desperately needs right now.

Basically, I'm here to say that I love all of Banter's ideas. I'm a huge supporter of getting Unova to become a solid Nox base (guys, contribute to the Battle at Village Bridge!!).

I mean, look, I've got Emil, but seriously, he's not gonna be much help. Unless you want to start an underground printing press or something like that in Castelia City? That's possible. Basically, if you want something in Castelia City, Emil's down with that. Honestly, I think the propaganda-branch of Nox would be amazing to see ic, and I'd be happy to get involved myself. But as I said... Emil? Not likely.

Actions speak louder than words - rather than telling people how good Nox are, why don't we show them instead? I agree with the notion of planting flowers. Since this is Unova we're talking about, let's hold information evenings! Think Bolsheviks! They got everyone fired up, excited for their cause. We need passionate speakers and orators, organizers, writers, artists, culturally influential people to help spread support.

By the way, Tanz, you can safely assume that there has been no 'secret discussion' behind people's backs on Skype. Personally, I've been too busy dealing with things IRL for that! :)